Wednesday, July 26, 2006

A Reply Too Long.

I wrote this in reply to one of the comments over at Bolta's blog, and it was a bit too long. I decided to keep the response here, as I believe it's worth keeping.

I've linked to the original post by Bolta in the title, and here is my response to one of the commenters.

First of all, for Michael Taleb who got bullied at school. I also got bullied through school, as did my sister. We're skips, and I think you'll find that plenty of other people, irrespective of religion or appearance or language also have been bullied over the years. It happens. You have appeared to survive to adulthood, so deal with your issues and move on.

Now, Jacob, you've got a few issues of your own.

LOL. The paranoia is bloody humourous. So we’re all out to get you are we? Us bad Muslims.. let me play some scary music to highten the moment.

Muslims have disliked Jews and vice versa since the dawn of time. Christians have disliked Muslims since the dawn of time. In fact, Muslims have been on the recieving end for most of history.

I won't address the history bit, as Hilly has done that already, and much more succinctly than I could.

The only reason we are what we are today, is because the Muslim world was left behind with the rubble that the empires caused. Is this the rubble caused by the destruction of churches, for example?

We were once the most sophisticated, most advanced of all cultures. Unfortunately our love for Allah wasn’t good enough for Christianity, so raping our women and burning our children making the Holocaust look like a picnic, was your way of saying ‘No’.

Surely, if I had to live under the terms of the Pact of Umar I might be a touch resentful. In any case, apart from the Crusades and the appalling actions of the crusaders, there appears to be little in the way of the raping and murdering of muslim women and children by christians. There are plenty of reports throughout history and up to today of muslims raping and murdering of infidel women and children. Beslan would have to be one of the most wellknown examples of this.

And then of course, the daily reminders of war torn and poverty Islamic nations isn’t just enough to make the average Arab cringe with anger. No, no.. Now a whole new era has taken face.. the dawn of Terrorism.
Hmmm. Poverty in Islamic nations. Considering that the UN have been supplying aid to the Palestine, for example, since the 1950s, I'd be asking where all that money over all those years, and from other countries, also, has gone.

Defending our morals, land and people.. to you, is terrorism. How do we get around it? There is no chance in hell we will surrender the word of the Kuran for the word of Bush, but how do we please the world and the after-life? With the Western system thats currently in place, we can’t. Every Muslim on this world, and no Andrew it’s 1.8 billion instead of 1.3, has now been given the option.. Allah or Dollar.

You don't surrender the word of Allah. That is because you have the freedom of religion in this country, and in the US, and UK, and plenty of other countries around the world.

What about the freedom to practise christianity or buddhism or paganism in Islamic countries? Where are the churches in Saudi Arabia?

Mind you, the hidden Christianity and even more hidden Judaism makes extreme Islam look like a Wiggles movie, but thats not whats reaching your screens. They won’t discuss how experienced Jewish doctors are prohibited from performing on gentiles. No blowing up stuff is alot more fun and exciting to report.. or is it?

Hidden christianity and Judaism. Hmmm. Someone's been watching the Da Vinci Code and reading the Protocols again. Both are fiction, and in the case of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, an extremely dangerous hoax.

I've never heard of jewish doctors refusing to accept gentile patients, but I have heard of muslim patients refusing to attend infidel doctors. Does that count in the discrimination stakes?

Israel goes back into Europe, I suggest Germany gives it some land. U.S leave Middle Eastern policies. Everyone of you forget the world Islam, and I will put my life on the line, that the only terrorism you will hear of is between Shiite and Sunni Muslims in another world, far, far away.

You asked to play the game.. Now stop bitching about the rules.

So Israel should go back to Germany? And do what? Climb aboard cattletrucks once again?

I think not, Jacob. Once was one time too many for that exercise, and if you think that infidels of the world will let it happen again, you would be advised to think again.

The jews were in the Middle East for centuries before the christians, who were there for centuries before the muslims. Who should be giving land back to whom?

As for the rules of the game, well, I live in Victoria, so am subject to the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act of 2001, so I will refrain from quoting the relevant passages from the quran.

I will say, however, that while I believe the bible is the Word of God, I also believe that the quran is the Word of Allah.

I am also more than happy to suggest that Jacob read the New Testament. Perhaps if you see what Jesus actually said and did as opposed to what he is purported to have said and done, you may gain a greater appreciation and respect for both jews and christians. Jesus was, after all, a jew.

(apologies for the long post)


At 8:28 PM, Blogger Bill Cooper said...

Good responses Nilk, I doubt whether Jacob will try to see your point of view. Jacob? peculiar name for a moor.

We are in WW3 it's just that much of the world is doing a Neville Chamberlain and crying 'peace in our time'. I sound harsh but I am starting to think that perhaps the US should drop precision guided nukes on anywhere they suspect terrorist groups are hiding. It will happen eventually may as well do it now and shorten what is otherwise going to be a very long war.

At 10:24 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Heh. Bill, I doubt Jacob will read this, but that's okay. There will be others out there who will.

And don't beat yourself up about sounding harsh. There are a lot of people starting to feel the way you do. I'm well on the way, too, and it's not the most comfortable feeling in the world.

But then, we're not living in comfortable times, and it's only going to get more uncomfy.

cf frogs in a pan on the stove.

At 5:54 PM, Blogger Armagnac Esq. said...

" There are plenty of reports throughout history and up to today of muslims raping and murdering of infidel women and children. Beslan would have to be one of the most wellknown examples of this. "

One of the best examples of how if you rape and kill for years on end with impunity eventually the victims go stark raving mad and do something psychopathic.

Beslan was horrific. Use of Beslan as a rhetorical weapon against 'muslims' in general with no accompanying commentary on the slaughter in Chechnya that preceded it is inexcusable. With respect.

At 6:03 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Armaniac, I don't have time to address this at length, but will say this:

One of the biggest problems today is the propaganda and equivalency issue.

There always seems to be some sort of justification for muslim atrocities.

It's always in response to something that was done to them. This is not to say that there were no atrocities carried out in Chechnya against muslims; just that there is always, always and excuse.

While we are looking backwards, why don't we look at what led up to the Russian actions in Chechnya? Why is it that wherever muslims start actively pushing for more 'tolerance' and 'freedom' there the level of violence in the neighbourhood escalates accordingly?

My next door neighbour is from the Balkans. In his 50s, he's been here since he was a teenager. That means he has no truck with pc, and while he's never gone into details and I've never asked, he is well aware what muslim neighbours can be like.

And for your next reading assignment, check out

And have you started reading the quran yet?

At 2:57 AM, Anonymous Tiberius said...

Shock! Horror! Another leftist coming to the rescue of his terrorist allies.

There is always something to explain it away, to excuse it, to justify it, to point out how we (or anybody else) started it.

And people still wonder why I hate them for the treasonous worms they are?

At 10:24 PM, Blogger Bill Cooper said...

Wish I had your energy and discipline Nilk, keep it up.

At 9:06 PM, Blogger Olivia said...

apart from the Crusades and the appalling actions of the crusaders

They did no worse than the Muslims who were the cause of the Crusades. Some pretty despicable shit went on, on both sides. I don't buy this revisionist BS that the Crusaders were the bad guys and the Muslims were just frolicking in the meadows, all peaceful and nice to everybody. The Crusades were a defensive action against consistent, barbarous Muslim aggression. Christianity wanted to protect itself. Why is that so bad? If they hadn't, where would we be today?

Thank God for the Crusades! The only complaint I have about them is that they waited too long and weren't thorough enough. If it weren't for the Crusades, Christianity would have been beaten into the ground like Zoroastriansim, and with it all the good we enjoy today ... equality, anti-slavery, free-thought, progress, creativity.

And as far as the most advanced society argument ... LOL! This so-called "golden age of Islam" was all about Islam taking over other advanced, free-thinking, intelligent societies, and leeching off them, like a parasite. Most of the intelligent ones were dhimmis, allowed to carry on with their work in science, mathematics, etc., at the whim of their Muslim masters, some tolerant, others not. Islam does not allow the sort of creative thinking that is required for truly progressive, intelligent societies. One only has to look at the proof that abounds in Islamic countries. They're embarrassments of backwardness and savagery.


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