And The Bleat Goes On
Joseph Wakim, in today's HeraldSun has another op-ed piece:Continuing curse of Cronulla.
Racial branding can create a self-fulfilling prophecy. New South Wales police sparked anger after the Cronulla riots by saying they were looking for youths of "Middle Eastern appearance."
Opportunist politicians fanned the flames with more provocative labels such as Lebanese gangs and Muslim terrorists.
This feeds into a talk-back bushfire of hate-speech of "ethnic scum" and "Arab thugs".
Those who share my cultural heritage have been trampled and tormented with every name under the sun.
Ten youths have now been charged by the Enoggera Task Force after alleged revenge attacks on 50 parked cars at Maroubra.
They have never been called Australian.
In the aftermath of the revenge attacks their community has been asked to stand up as Australians and co-operate with those who have alienated and vilified them.
The self-appointed Aussie gatekeepers might as well have said: "You must unconditionally shoulder the responsibilities of being an Australian, but we reserve the right to deny or bestow you citizenship rights."
This presumably includes the enshrined right to equity and freedom from barriers based on race, ethnicity and culture.
For more than 10 weeks, NSW police leaders have been publicly calling on local Arab leaders to denounce the offenders responsible for the revenge attacks.
But for more than 10 years, Arab leaders have publicly called on NDW police leaders to denounce the Middle Eastern appearance lable.
NDW Race Discrimination Commissioner Tom Calma gave a speech entitled "Responding to Cronulla: rethinking multiculturalism", in which he said all state and territory police services had dropped the label, except NSW.
He concluded that Cronulla, to some extent, was the result of this inflammatory NSW practice.
NSW Opposition Leader Peter Debnam demands that 200 thugs involved in revenge attacks be rounded up and locked up.
There are claims that those responsible live apart from Australia rather than as a part of Australia.
Parents ar ein a no-win situation. They could be incriminated for harbouring offenders and community collusion without necessarily knowing the identity of those responsible.
These Australians supposedly responsible are collectively, repeatedly and systematically vilified by police, politicians and the media.
Their citizenship has little meaning. Their culture is degraded until they are forced to feel ashamed, or to Anglicise their ancestral names.
The label of Middle Eastern appearance must be removed.
This is not negotiating with potential terrorists or justifying crime, but bringing NSW into line with the rest of Australia.
Such branding fosters alienation, not co-operation.
Ironically, Enoggera, the name given to the NSW police task force investigating the Cronulla riots, is from the Aboriginal word yowoggera, meaning corroboree or meeting place."
This is just in time for the transcript of the Four Corners episode "Riots and Revenge" to be made available, and it makes for interesting reading. If you didn't get to see the show, then by all means check out the full script.
With a marvellous display of misdirection, Mr Wakim talks of parents being between a rock and a hard place in the community they (apparently) see themselves a part of. Nobody in this community knows what anyone else is doing, so how could 'local Arab leaders' possibly provide information on possible transgressors to the police?
And yet, a non-Arab father turned his own son in to the police. This was for the son's part in the disturbance on the sunday before the revenge attacks.
Incidentally, these revenge attacks on 50 parked cars also netted people. One man was bashed and left with a knife in his back, and women were also bashed. That's a bit more than smashing a car, and definitely on the disingenuous side of things.
But then, Mr Wakim has been known to play the victim card before - Leigh over at the House of Wheels gave him a thorough fisking not too long ago.
But back to Four Corners.
I find it fascinating that the skips, Shire lads and lasses seem to be more on the ball with regards to what is happening with our multicultural experiment:
LIZ JACKSON: Sarah's boyfriend, Mark, is concerned because he thinks that under Muslim law, it's OK to rape. He's wrong and confused about a pack-rape case four years ago where the ringleader was Lebanese-Australian Bilal Skaf.
MARK: I don't know if you remember, but when they were being tried in the court, they were...they wanted him to be tried in an Islamic court - do you remember that? Yeah, 'cause they wanted him to be tried under Islamic law. Because they were saying that that's OK to do that to a woman.
LIZ JACKSON: To rape someone?
MARK: Yeah, that's what they were saying.
LUKE: I want this government to stop the growing threat. And I want them to stop appeasing Islam. And to stop appeasing people
that follow Islam.
MARK: They will probably, like, possibly out-breed us. And once they get the numbers, they can vote their members into parliament. And once their members are in parliament, they can pass laws, like, they've already tried to get the Islamic law into Australia a few times.
LIZ JACKSON: Are you concerned that this could become an Islamic state?
LUKE: Yeah, definitely.
And a response from the MuslimVillage forums:
Well, what can one say, if the Shire residents that were interviewed yesterday are an example of what most Shire residents think, then that is just plain embarassing.
Their comments were so absurd, I was laughing, not angry, just laughing at the ignorance some people show.
They truly do live in a closed off bubble, they have no clue, and the most amazing thing was the amount of stories that had gone around about the lifesavers, and what really went on that day, by far the best was when one of the guys said it was because 'a lifeguard had rescued a Muslim woman and they were angry the lifeguards had touched her' blink.gif do they really believe their own crap?
I wonder if yesterday, after watching the episode would they have realised how silly and uneducated they really are. They are a product of The Daily Telegraph and Today Tonight, Piers Akerman would be very proud!
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All in all, it was good, and NOT biased, though the one thing that baffles me is, ok I know the revenge attacks were bad, they were very bad, but they cannot be put in the same category as 5000 people bashing into 1-2 people, how can smashing a car, and damaging property be seen in the same context as that? Like I said, all actions across those few days were bad, but the Shire residents (that were on last night) need to stop sooking about how violated they felt when the carloads of youths came and smashed their shops, what did you expect when 5000 people were bashing anyone who looked like a 'Lebo'?
There seems to be a bit of confusion about what is happening in the Ummah today. Jihad is the order of the day, and it's all about returning Dar ul Harb to Darl ul Islam.
Looking at what Mark and Luke had to say, they seem to be a bit more aware of the agenda than Aussie muslims are.
Regarding the rape of non-muslim women, it is sanctioned in the Qu'ran and ahadith:
Prophet Muhammad promises women to his warriors
"You see, God will soon make you inherit their land, their treasures and make you sleep with their women" (Lit: make their women's beds for you).
These plain, disgraceful words are recorded by Ibn Hisham on page 182 Vol. II, of his famous book, "Al Rod Al Anf", which all the researchers regard as a reliable reference
In Algeria for example
In August 1998, the Government released figures that indicated that the whereabouts of 319 women remain unknown and that there were 24 reports by women of rape. Most human rights groups believe that the actual number is much higher. There is a rape crisis center that specializes in caring for women who are victims of rape by terrorists.
During the year, Islamic extremists often specifically targeted women. There were numerous instances of women being killed and mutilated in massacres. As many as 80 percent of the victims of massacres were women and children.
I think the learned reporter is missing the bigger picture.
And as for the idea of infidels being outbred, well, Mullah Krekar over in Norway has a few words on that concept:
"Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes," Krekar said. "Every western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries are producing 3.5 children.
"By 2050, 30 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim."
Being a mullah, he would surely know a bit more about the strategies in place to continue the spreading of Islam than a bunch of skips?
Perhaps the younger muslims in Australia should look a bit further afield as see exactly how their religion is progressing in the world at large.
posted by Nilk @ 7:03 PM
42 Comments:
I think we should remember that we live in a multicultural society, where allowances should be made to accommodate the cultural habits and wishes of others.
We must remember that these middles Eastern gentlemen come from a culture very different to ours. They migrated from a land of tribal rivalries, where minor disputes are settled with gunfire and car bombs. We should not blame them for wanting to carry on their traditional ways in their new home. Surely Australia is better for being such an eclectic cultural melting pot, absorbing a little of each culture.
These Middle Eastern migrants have bought us so much in the form of cheap prostitution, easy access to hard drugs, cheap luxury cars (rebirthed Porsches being a Lebanese speciality) and cut price protection rackets.
Perhaps we can learn to be a little more tolerant? Who knows, maybe we could even learn something from them. I look forward to the time (in about 20 years) when Islam is the dominant religion and we have a firmly entrenched Sharia Legal system. After all, wearing a headscarf , not going out after dark and not working/driving/studying is a small price for women to pay.
(See, - I can make bland posts…….)
Ross
What blows me out with Cronulla, is that the revenge attacks were done totally sober and over the next week or how ever long it was, remoresless.
Also islam needs to come to grips with Modern Civilisation, muslims in Oz are of course free to wear bikinis n have beer n sex and so forth as we all are.
The assumption sharia type values are already a reality is very scarey mindset as they .
History needs to be viewed from shifting viewpoints, you cannot stick in a calendar and judge events from that single point. We must look forward, and look backwards to truly see historical perspectives.
It is worth noting that the western world has changed dramatically in the last 40 years. Prior to Mary Quant introducing the miniskirt in 1964 no girl would show her knees in public. The birth control pill was unknown until 1967 . Promiscuity was almost unknown. Sexual freedom, particularly for women hardly existed. Few girls indulged in any form of sexual contact prior to getting engaged. Those that did quickly earned a bad reputation.
Despite current impressions, it is not Islam that has changed in the last 40 years but the West . It is therefore a little unfair to place all of the blame upon Islam. From the viewpoint of an elderly Islamic man the west has completely abandoned its civilized way of life. We of course see it quite differently. We see it as an enlightened age, the age of freedom and equality.
It is also worth noting that in the late 1880s British army officers and political officers were commonplace in countries like Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Egypt.
The local population had no problems with these Englishmen because although Christian they had very similar societal values to the Islamic tribesmen. From today’s perspective they would be seen as chauvinistic prudes.
These Victorian gentlemen would have been Shocked by the sight of a girl in a bikini, or topless on a beach. They would have been affronted by a miniskirt, or the sight of a group of girls binge drinking in a bar.
They would not have tolerated the sexual freedoms currently enjoyed by Western females . In short the hardline fundamental Islamic man of today had more in common with a Victorian English gentleman than the vast majority of Englishmen today.
We need to remember this perspective when judging Islamic reactions to the West.
Ross
You are so full of fucking Grade A bullshit it is almost unbelievable.
Of course beatings and gang rape and torture and murder was quite common coming from these Englishmen towards women not acting lady-like wasn't it?
And of course it was condoned, and indeed ordered, by the British Officer's Field Manual, wasn't it?
I guess this is where Christianity = islam, right?
Fuckwit.
Have we in the West have ever said raping and beating and torturing and murdering women who showed their knees was ok?
Don't think so.
islam does - so fuck those backward savages and anyone trying to excuse them.
If they want to sit back and think the West has abandoned its civilized way of life, fine. Good. I don't want savages thinking we are leading a "good" life because it shows we are doing something very wrong in that case.
But if they want to start beating and raping our women over it - well fuck them. They should be tortured and executed as an example of what we think about that.
Ahhhhhh
You see, i make nice bland posts and look what happens.....
I’m sorry tiberious - you missed out on the (slightly sick) joke. I apologise.
I made some posts on this site in a similar vein to yours but on different subjects, and a bunch of assholes leaped up and down screaming and waling like Palestinian women on an Intafida.
I am thus relegated to making nice little soothing posts…… Don’t make waves because people can’t handle the truth.
The problem is a lot of people here want to read only what they believe in. They hate Islam (and so do I) but refuse to hear a bad word said about the Catholic Church (which is as full of bigoted idiots as Islam is).
They want to spout about freedom – until it comes to abortion.
They spout about religious dogma – until it come to Judaism.,
They spout about civil rights – until it comes to taxpayers rights.
So from now on I make nice little soothing posts……
My real opinion – throw all the fucking Jews (who are actually a Middle Eastern Arabic tribe just like the rest of the fucking region – they just follow a different religious pile of crap). Throw out all the Muslims, and throw out all religious leaders. They are all fucking maniacs who try to control my life.
But I cant say that cos the Jews and Catholics get upset.
I love the tongue firmly planted in cheek, Ross. :)
Of course western society has changed and islamic not. Islamic society has gone through a few changes, but always changes back - Turkey springs to mind.
If muslims wish to live here, I've got no problem. That comes with the proviso that they accept that women who wear short skirts are not whores, and that we are all pretty well equal.
Enough kaffir blood has been spilled by now that it can be seen that we all have red blood.
If you are not going to become a part of the larger community, assimilate, if you will, then why should you be welcomed? What do you have to offer?
Our lifestyle and standard of living have more to offer than a mud hut in the mountains of Pakistan or Afghanistan. We don't have the warzones of the Gaza, or the Sudan.
We don't have the stonings of Nigeria or Iran, or the sectarian violence of Iraq.
That is not due to Islam, but to a society founded upon Judeo-Christian values.
When muslims can turf the calls to violence (Sura 9) or discrimination and aggression against women (Sura 4) then maybe we can talk.
But until a muslim can read the Qu'ran with a critical eye and admit to some discrepancy, then there is no common ground.
Q1) “Of course beatings and gang rape and torture and murder was quite common coming from these Englishmen towards women not acting lady-like wasn't it?”
Not these particular Englishmen, however if you were to go back a couple of generations things were not quite so squeaky clean. Read the history of the slave trade in Africa, look at slave plantations in the west Indies, and look at Englishmen and Aborigines before 1900. Rape was endemic, beatings, torture and murder were a way of control.
Q2) “And of course it was condoned, and indeed ordered, by the British Officer's Field Manual, wasn't it?”
No – however murder of Aborigines did not constitute a crime until the late 1880s, and even then it was seldom classed as a crime. Similar attitudes existed in Africa until the same time.
Q3) “Have we in the West have ever said raping and beating and torturing and murdering women who showed their knees was ok?”
No. we put promiscuous women into mental homes for the rest of their lives. This happened IN AUSTRALIA until the mid 1960s. Reread that sentence in case you misunderstood. In this country, people who still walk the streets put women into mental homes for having sex…..
And behind all of this were a bunch of vicars and Priests. Just like behind Islam there are a bunch of imams.
In the confession box the local Catholic Priest would wank himself off whilst telling the local Magistrate “young Mary Jones has been sleeping with the boys again. You had better schedule her for being insane. We don’t want that sort of thing going on do we…….”
Well FUCK all men of religion. Bigoted stupid interfering assholes. We would do better to shoot the fucking lot.!!!!!
Results from studies conducted by Gelsthorpe showed how sexual promiscuity amongst girls resulted in them being institutionalised and treated for 'abnormal' behaviour. On the other hand male's sexual permissiveness was encouraged and thought to be 'natural' to the male persona (1989: 34).
Gelsthorpe, L. (1989) Sexism and the Female Offender, Gower Publishing, Aldershot.
And of course George Pell and the Pope would like to go back to those days, the bigoted idiots. They should be horsewhiped.
Ross - so sorry, wish I could comment upon your comments, but I feel asleep at the keyboard.
Love your new approach though; worked a charm - better than Xanax.
Keep up the good work. Someone has to provide the soothing balm. Glad to see you fill the void.
Of course its pure bunkum, but that is what people want to hear.
The Catholic Church, Judaism, Islam, all garbage - unless you beleive in one of them, in which case you must be right and everyone else has to be wrong......
Its hard to attack Islam when you supprt simliar bigoted crap!
What has Islam done for me today?
nothing today, but hopfully in about 25 years it will string tony Abbott and George Pell up from a lampost.
a small price to pay.......
Ross - damned if I don't feel some song lyrics coming on. I'm thinking an anthem type ditty along the lines of the song that goes - "war, huh, what is it good for, absolutely nothin'".
"Islam, what has it done for you lately...ta, dee, ta, da, da, tee, ta".
That's as far as I got. Trying to find some catchy words that rhyme with the first line. But, I really think this has legs. $$$$$$
So much fucking stupidity, so little time...
First it is not the tone of your posts, its the stupidity in them that causes the trouble.
You spewed utter bullshit in the Faith post, more complete bullshit in the Children post, and now you are spewing another load of it in this one.
First your bullshit about being to the right of Hitler. Everything Hitler stood for and spoke about rings with the Left. Don't feed us this "I'm to the right of Hitler. You are too the left of him, placed nicely between Hitler and Stalin. Everything you say seems to support this, and only a leftists could get so much stupidity into one post.
And you mentioning the word "truth", even in passing, demeans the whole meaning of the word - much like you leftists being concerned about facts....
And it was a good attempt to apologise for islam and try to draw comparisons to the West but you (deliberately) missed out on one important thing.
When was the last time a promiscuous woman was put an institiution in the West? 40 years ago according to your post.
Wish to guess when the last rape by a muslim was was? 10 minutes ago? 5 Minutes ago?
When was the last time a Catholic or a Jew threatened to behead you for not being a Catholic or a Jew or for drawing an insulting picture of their god? 500 years ago? 100 years ago?
When was the last time some muslim goatfucker threatened the same thing? Two minutes ago? As I type this sentence?
Sorry, dipshit, that stuff ain't gonna fly here.
I have said it many times before - stupidity brings out the bastard in me, and your stupidity is of a level I have not encountered since the last leftist site I stumbled upon.
I told ya Nilk, allow this stupidity free reign and you only encourage more of it.
Meyer, as you can see, is Jewish.
He doesn’t want you to know that Jews in fact started terrorism in the Middle East.
http://www.wyevalley.worldonline.co.uk/historypolice.htm
As you will see below, whist British soldiers were fighting Hitler, Jews were FIGHTING BRITISH SOLDIERS:
As early as 1938 the Stern Gang had taken to leaving bombs in market places with the intent to kill as many Arabs as possible and many women and children were victims to these bombs. On 11th. April, 1938 a British Police Sergeant and a British Constable were killed when trying to remove a bomb from a train crowded with Arabs in Haifa. These actions by the Stern Gang were abhorrent to the Jewish community. The Stern Gang, being short of money and weapons and having been rebuffed by the Haganna in a request for them took to raiding banks. In late 1941 it was discovered that the Gang had accepted money from the Italian Government, with whom their people were at war, in order to buy weapons and start a campaign against the Government of Palestine.
Jabotinsky died in 1940 and leadership of the I.Z.L. was taken over by David Raziel who in the confused events of the time was killed in 1941 in the Iraqi campaign fighting alongside British soldiers. Leadership of the Irgun was taken over by Menachem Begin.
Stern began his campaign in November, 1941 with the assassination of a Jewish Detective Constable and in 1942 a bank official carrying 1,000 UK pounds was attacked. The robbers were arrested but opened fire on police and in the process killed two innocent Jewish bystanders. A Stern Gang ambush killed a Jewish Deputy Superintendent of Police and after further incidents, Stern himself was arrested on 12th.February, 1942 but was later killed when attempting to escape. Stern became a martyr and the strength of the Stern Gang increased to about 100.
1942 was on the whole fairly quiet. The Criminal Investigation Department of the Palestine Police considered that the autumn of 1943 would see the opening of a terrorist campaign and sure enough on 31st. October, 1943 the terrorists engineered the escape of nineteen Stern Gang members from custody. On the night of 15th/16th. November, 1943 a remote police post at Givat Olga on the coast between Hadera and Nathanya was attacked and damaged although there were no police casualties. Tracker dogs led police to a nearby Jewish settlement where the inhabitants, augmented by bus loads of Jews from nearby Tel Aviv, attended by newspaper reporters and with the support of the Zionist Organisations decided to make a public spectacle of the affair.
While the police showed admirable restraint the Jewish press went into a paroxysm of anger over the incident leaving the observer with the feeling that terrorists had the right to attack government property but that no Jewish community should be subjected to investigation even after such an attack. It became obvious that if terrorism was to be crushed, it would have to be done without Jewish support.
This incident was followed by rioting in Tel Aviv and 1944 opened with an attack on the Department of Immigration Building by elements of the Stern Gang on 12th. February. Four days later two British police officers were murdered in Haifa and on 23rd. March Police Headquarters in the Russian Compound at Jerusalem was attacked by Stern Gang terrorists, an Assistant Superintendent of Police being killed and considerable damage being caused.
During the years from1944 to1948 incidents of Murder, arson, kidnappings, bombings of Police Stations and other Government Buildings continued but are far too numerous to be listed here in their entirety. In fact, between 1942 and 1946 over 4,000 terrorist attacks were recorded. Some of the worse incidents were the Murder of Lord Moyne, the British Resident minister of State in Cairo who was assassinated by elements of the Stern Gang and on 22nd.July,1946 the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, part of which was being used to house several departments of the secretariat and other Government Offices, was blown up by members of the I.Z.L. and 91 men and women lost their lives about a third of them being Jews.
Bollock Brain (Tiberious) wrote:
When was the last time a promiscuous woman was put an institiution in the West? 40 years ago according to your post.
The law was only revoked in 1992 in QLD!
FUCKWIT - you have a size 1 brain and a size 10 mouth.
listen Meyer, and listen Tiberius:
Right now the ADF cannot get recruits.
If you feel so strongly about the march of Islam why the fuck don’t you two put your balls on the line. I can arrange a recruiting interview for you both. Hey - if you have the balls i can have you in Afganistan in 12 months.
Its called putting your life where your mouth is.
Nice try, dipshit. So the law was repealed in 92. Big fucking deal. What I asked was when was the last time some woman was sentenced under it?
Bzzzt. Try again, dumbass.
As for the ADF, I've gone to apply but I've got two injuries keeping me out
One I can lie about, the other injury I can't lie about because it will become obvious, so much so I won't be able to hide it.
But I'm not giving up that easy and am working at doing something similar (thankfully for which the physical and medical requirements are not so high) until my second injury heals.
So eat shit and better luck next time with that typical leftist "enlist or else" bullshit.
Actually, let me turn it back on you.
If you hate Jews and Catholics so much, why don't go fuck a goat and become a muslim and go over to Iraq or Afghanistan or Israel and take up the fight? Guaranteed they will have you on the front lines in three months.
Put your balls on the line..... oh that's right. You're a leftist. You don't have any balls.
What ya reckon Meyer? Shall we chip in and send him over there so he can fight those fucking JOOOOOOS?
I know you have, Tiberius, but I think that Ross is okay. I disagree with the moral equivalency, but the debate is valuable.
I can see his arguments re the Church and the Jews, but completely disagree. That's cool. I don't believe that we can fight on more than one front, and that's one thing that gets up my nose like you wouldn't believe.
How about we get this Islam thing sorted, then we can worry about the Jews and rock crushers. You know, the ones who vote in childkillers (Umm Nidal, anyone?).
Regardless of what crimes have been committed in the name of Christ or YHWH, it is universally acknowledged to be against the word of God. Not so in Islam.
Sura 9, anyone?
It might surprise some of you to learn that in the early 70s I lived in a hard line Catholic country. The women were horribly oppressed, them men outright hypocrites. Every young man spend his time trying to get into a girls knickers. If they did, the town soon knew, and the girls was ostracised as a slut. Several girls had to move to a England because their reputation was irreparable damaged. They were shamed into leaving town, even by their families. I hasten to add that they were not pregnant or promiscuous, they were simply no longer virgins. The local Priest was well known for fucking the choirboys – and anyone else he could get his hands on. Few women had tertiary education, it was considered unnecessary, since their occupation was to have children. The men were outright chauvinists.
This was Ireland in the early 1970s.
Eight years later I found myself in Dubai. Believe me, the similarity was chilling. A woman’s role was to have children. Nothing more. No women were stoned in Dubai, no women were caned (some men were). Many Arabs were homosexual despite laws against it. Once again hypocrisy was rampant, and the men were outright chauvinists.
These two experiences are the basis for my believe that Catholicism can be as bad as Islam. Yes some countries have a more fundamental implementation of Islam. Yes some countries have a more liberal implementation of Catholicism. But in my factual experience, they were remarkably similar.
It is also worth mentioning that I have travelled extensively around the Middle East, and spend a lot of time in Indonesia. I have lived under Sharia Law, and under very liberal laws in Islamic countries.
Well Tiberius, I served 3 years in the British Army, and 20 years in the Australian Army Reserve. I am still serving. Its not much – as some other comedian mentioned here – army officers don’t know their arse from their elbows. Funny how everyone is a fucking expert…
I hope you get over your injuries and get into the defence force. You never know your luck, we might end up in the same hole together….
And the most amazing thing – Tiberius are quick on the insults but not so quick on the factual rebuttal.
Since Meyer doesn’t seem to believe my education or background I will emai ldetails direct to Nilk. She will be able to vouch for me.
And the most amazing thing – Tiberius are quick on the insults but not so quick on the factual rebuttal.
Since Meyer doesn’t seem to believe my education or background I will emai ldetails direct to Nilk. She will be able to vouch for me.
So we are now up to the 70's.
Good to see you trying, but that still doesn't cut it. For even what you said you witnessed still does not rate a mention next to the atrocities commited every day by islam right now.
And the bullshit you spew isn't worthy of factual rebuttal. It's much like me claiming the earth is flat. You wouldn't waste your time arguing with someone making that statement or bother coming up with factual rebuttal.
Your posts have been pretty much in same vein as saying "The earth is flat"
Thanks for the well wishes, though I doubt their sincerity, and no offence (well, a little offence intended) but if it's all the same, I'd rather not share a hole with you.
And it begs the question - why enlist to serve in an armed services of a country that is made up of religious fanatics all just out to do the work of the JOOOOOOOOOS?
Nilk/Leeianne said...
I don't believe that we can fight on more than one front, and that's one thing that gets up my nose like you wouldn't believe.
How about we get this Islam thing sorted, then we can worry about
no Nilk, i am not prepared to fight off Islam if it means some other claptrap religion slips into the void. Remember communism gained its real power whilst the world was fighting Hitler.
I am not going to do the dirty work for a bunch of Jews and Chrstians.
Onward Christian soldiers, forward onto war. Meyer and Tiberius, get your arses down to Kapooka cos you have a job to do. Because I am not doing it for you.
Tiberius wrote:
But I'm not giving up that easy and am working at doing something similar
Not another fucking officer of cadets?
I was awarded my first in 1974. you are correct - standards have slipped since then, both at university and a school (when did you get your HSC Meyer? Or are you still a snotty nosed schoolboy...)
I see you are still ranting and wailing about me being an idiot... but not refuting my comments with any facts.
You have a lot to learn.....
Tiberius,
Every ANZAC day I get prodded in the Sam Browne by some fat spotty berk who tells me he is “gunna join”. There are more Gunnas in a single bar than in the entire RAA. My money says you are a class 1 gunna!
If I found you in my gun pit I would shoot you, in order to raise the IQ of the world by 10 % You are basically a loud mouthed yob who shouts anyone down, says nothing of value and does even less. In short, you are an oxygen thief.
The “I don’t need to refute your comments” are the biggest cop out ever. Come on sunshine, go to Kapooka (and believe me, you wont make ADFA/Duntroon) with an attitude like that and you will soon be on the bus home.
Incidentally, I don’t do the work of the Jews – I am not posting this from Palestine!
There is a growing opinion, even in the military, that we should not involve ourselves in Middle Eastern politics. If that means standing by whilst the Arabs take back land stolen from them 60 years ago, then so be it.
Vietnam revised our thinking on getting involved in Far Eastern politics, and Iraq is doing the same for Middle Eastern politics. Basically it is not worth the effort. Very soon Israel is going to have to sort the situation out, and that is going to involve considerable compromise.
The benefit of this philosophy is that we can in return create and anti Islamic fortress mentality. A mentality that is already underway. There are close similarities to the Cold War. We “ignored” communism, but ensured that it could not operate I the West. Holland is now introducing new migration tests that are designed to virtually eliminate Islamic migration. The UK is looking at similar measures. I feel confident that Australia will do the same.
But the fortress will not contain Israel. They are going to have to come to terms with the neighbours, or get out of town. This will be the “Sudetenland” that buys us time.
Wait and see…….
But tell me the truth Tiberius, are you, or do you plant to become, an Officer of Cadets.
Break it to me gently lad, because I don’t want to hurt myself laughing….
“Come along children, we off to play in the woods today. I can be Guderian, and you Jones minor can be….”
Notice Meyer suddenly backing away in a fluster. He wrote:
“Ross, this is the internet - you tell us all sorts of bullshit about your 5 degrees, including an MBA from a prestigious University, but no one believes you”
When I mention proving it via a third party, suddenly Meyer starts blabbing:
“If you have degrees it only means that standards have dropped so low that anyone can get one.”
Next I will send the transcripts and he will see my grades…..
Meyer, you are a silly little fool, with no credibility. Everything you say gets shot down in flames. Fuck me mate, you are a walking heat seeker…..
Meyer – do you ACTUALY have any qualifications AT ALL?
Actually I got my second injury training for general enlistment.
Was told by my Reservist brother in law to go for Officer's Training but we'll see.
And when I said similar, I meant "shit work, shit pay, not enough recognition, potentially life threatening work" type of work.
But you keep ranting on about gunna's - I don't give a shit what leftist fuckheads like you think of me.
Actually I take that back. I do care. I want you worthless shitbags to hate and utterly despise me.
So umm yeah, I'm a gunna - or whatever will piss you off more and force you to go to your leftist social circle and have a big group wank session.
And another good attempted to divert attention away from the fact you STILL have not been able to come up with an example of the West doing anything as bad as islam. Some name calling in Ireland in the 70's is the "best" you've got so far.
Sorry fuck knuckle, but that don't cut it.
And as for
If I found you in my gun pit I would shoot you, in order to raise the IQ of the world by 10 % You are basically a loud mouthed yob who shouts anyone down, says nothing of value and does even less. In short, you are an oxygen thief.
Holy Shit! That is the single best case of projection I have ever witnessed.
What do you reckon Meyer? This guy got John Kerry beat in terms of projection?
Incidentally, I bet you don’t have the balls to spout your anti Islamic views in the Middle East…..
I didn’t see you anywhere when I was working the midnight express across the Arabian Gulf in 79. I didn’t see you last year in Indonesia when we were trying to instigate a fight by moderate Muslims against Arabic inspired radicals. It didn’t work, and new laws will be introduced in June, but at least WE tried. You were far too busy writing crap on your blog site. Too busy blogging about how you are gunna do this and gunna do that. Fuckwit.
You are too dumb and too stupid to see the obvious. That Islam sees an air strike and a car bomb as the same thing. I know, and you know, that they are not. But to a Muslim it’s the same. You are not going to destroy Islam, but you might just change it.
Seriously mate, try seeing the situation from both sides. It’s the only way to win.
Mate, the only “potentially life threatening work” you do is open your mouth, because sooner or later someone will drop you.
Having seen your website, it is obvious that you’re a classic “barbers cat” - a wind and piss merchant. You bllg and bloat on about things you don’t understand, and never actually do anything. ($50 says you don’t get into Duntroon either. Talk is cheap, having balls isn’t).
Incidentally, I bet you don’t have the balls to spout your anti Islamic views in the Middle East…..
I didn’t see you anywhere when I was working the midnight express across the Arabian Gulf in 79. I didn’t see you last year in Indonesia when we were trying to instigate a fight by moderate Muslims against Arabic inspired radicals. It didn’t work, and new laws will be introduced in June, but at least WE tried. You were far too busy writing crap on your blog site. Too busy blogging about how you are gunna do this and gunna do that. Fuckwit.
You are too dumb and too stupid to see the obvious. That Islam sees an air strike and a car bomb as the same thing. I know, and you know, that they are not. But to a Muslim it’s the same. You are not going to destroy Islam, but you might just change it.
Seriously mate, try seeing the situation from both sides. It’s the only way to win.
Mate, the only “potentially life threatening work” you do is open your mouth, because sooner or later someone will drop you.
Having seen your website, it is obvious that you’re a classic “barbers cat” - a wind and piss merchant. You bllg and bloat on about things you don’t understand, and never actually do anything. ($50 says you don’t get into Duntroon either. Talk is cheap, having balls isn’t).
Incidentally, I bet you don’t have the balls to spout your anti Islamic views in the Middle East…..
I didn’t see you anywhere when I was working the midnight express across the Arabian Gulf in 79. I didn’t see you last year in Indonesia when we were trying to instigate a fight by moderate Muslims against Arabic inspired radicals. It didn’t work, and new laws will be introduced in June, but at least WE tried. You were far too busy writing crap on your blog site. Too busy blogging about how you are gunna do this and gunna do that. Fuckwit.
You are too dumb and too stupid to see the obvious. That Islam sees an air strike and a car bomb as the same thing. I know, and you know, that they are not. But to a Muslim it’s the same. You are not going to destroy Islam, but you might just change it.
Seriously mate, try seeing the situation from both sides. It’s the only way to win.
Meyer – do you ACTUALY have any qualifications AT ALL?
Put up or shut up time sunshine....
Put up or shut up!
Tiberius - admit it mate, you are going to play with the Cadets.
There is no shame in having some little military fantasy. I promise not to laugh at you.....
Promise mate, i prommise.
LOL
And notice Tiberuis, (who spends his free time playing roman Centurions in a computer game) suddenly finding his great right wind military fantasy collapsing round his child like ears, has to resort to comments like:
“I don't give a shit what leftist fuckheads like you think of me”.
That is Tiberius saying “oh dear, I just discovered that real men do exist, and I just made a prat of myself. So I will take my ball and go home to mummy”
But i tell you what Wankerus Mximus, ANZAC day is just a few weeks away. I will be marching in Sydney. Why dont you meet me after the march and lets see if you have as big a mouth face to face.
My money says you won meet me. Spinless assholes like you never do back up what they say.....
The challenge is on sunshine....
Meyer – do you ACTUALY have any qualifications AT ALL?
Third time I ask, and I think we all know the answer!!
Meyer - you are an uneducated idiot.
Meyer has no education. I rest my case.
Meyer, you would do far better if you rested your mouth/keyboard, and exercised your brain.
I do know they you are a member of the legal fraternity – you were articled some years ago. (should have been scheduled, but never mind). This is one of the reasons why I thought you were Jewish – in fact I still believe you are. Funny how people can move in and out of Judaism as it suits them.
I actually wanted you to list your degrees. Never mind.
However this is far removed from the original argument. So:
Do you think that all of Islam is evil, and all Judaism is wonderful?
GUys, I'm all for a bit of healthy debate, but please take this shit out behind the shelter shed.
I have no idea whether Meyer is black, white or brindle, and for all I know she is a voodoo practitioner.
I don't give a fuck.
Likewise, Ross, I've no probs with your credentials, but in the intermanet they don't really matter.
Fuck, I'm a qualified beauty therapist.
The topic is not everyone's qualifications - the topic is a discussion on a religion/belief set and how it may or may not impact upon how we live. Particularly when the spin doctors/journalists are not necessarily giving us all the facts.
Have the rock crushers done the wrong thing at times? Yes.
Are they still doing said wrong thing? I don't know.
Are the RoPers doing the wrong thing at times? Yes.
Are they still doing said wrong thing?
Yes.
Of the two, who is more likely to kill you? For the answer, go check out Ogrish.com and have a happy night's viewing with your meal.
If you children don't settle down, I'll give you something to fucking cry about!
OR worse, I'll start moderating the comments.
Your choice, boys.
Email is good if you want to abuse each other. I'm just tired of it here.
I will lay out my position as clearly as I can, and then I will call it quits. It doesn’t matter if you don’t believe me, because time will prove or disprove me, and to be honest I don’t care.
1) I believe we are about to enter a divided world – Moslem and other. I believe that the west will move out of involvement in Islamic countries, and anti Islamic restrictions in the West will contain Islam there. I believe that there are already strong indications of this happening, both in public feeling and in legislation. This is Rome bringing its Legions home. An end of our empire.
2) I believe that Christianity will attempt to resurrect itself in response to the rise of Islam. I believe that this rise in Christianity, and imposition of Christian feelings and values is already taking place. I cite the rise of the Hilsong Church and Tony Abbots moves to contain abortion as examples. There are many more. Christian values is now a battle cry, rather than societal values.
I believe this is particularly true in the USA, where fundamental Christianity is on the ascendancy. On my last visit I found the strength of Christianity to have risen alarmingly. As a single example that mirrors Australia, anti abortion legislation is now rampant in many states. Therefore I believe that if we are not very careful we will find ourselves in the grip of fundamental Christianity that could be as restrictive (albeit in different ways) to that of Islam.
3. I am extremely concerned at the inability of many people to see the situation in its entirety. In the West we see a suicide bomber purely as a Muslim. As I pointed out elsewhere, the origins in what we known today as terrorism actually lie in the Jewish attempts to form a new state of Israel. This is an acknowledged historical fact, and not an attack upon Jews.
Most people fail to see how the actions of the West are perceived in the Islamic world. To a Muslim the Invasion of Iraq was a Christian invasion of an Islamic country. Where we see “Coalition troops” they see Christian troops – just as we see Muslim terrorists rather than Arabic terrorists. I believe (with good cause) that most Muslims see an air strike on a Islamic village to be the Christian equivalent to a car bomb in Mildura.
4) I believe that, in view of the above, attacks on the Christian West will continue unabated. It will be exacerbated as fundamental Christianity ascends in the West. Faced with losing its power, fundamental Christianity will encourage rather than discourage the war on Islam. I believe that no amount of rhetoric or posturing is going to resolve the situation. Nor will the creation of an “iron curtain”. They have the modern weapons (sold to them by the West) to reach deep into our world, and the cunning to clandestinely reach into it. The development of nuclear weapons by Islamic countries will place further stress on such an iron curtain.
5) I believe that if we continue this current path of confrontation with Islam (and I point out again, that most people in the West only perceive one side of the confrontation) we will find ourselves in a seriously difficult situation. A global war of a magnitude never before seen. We might survive, we might even win, but the cost will be staggering in terms of population and in terms of progress. I believe that we live in a first world that is totally dependant upon mass produced foods, energy and communications. Once those are gone we will fall into a “Lord of the Flies” world.
My solution is to learn to live with Islam. As a soldier, if you want me to fight it, I will. But you have to accept the consequences. I remember the astounded looks on everyone’s faces after 911. What did they think was going to happen….?
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