Saturday, April 14, 2007

The Joys Of Haram Food.


I have a habit of reading islamic sites - I want to understand how muslims think, because in some ways, they seem to think the same way we infidels do, yet in others it's like reading an alien language.

One of my favourite reads is MuslimVillage which has a membership that runs from infidels (atheists and People of the Book) to supporters of Hizb ut Tahrir.

One item I found intriguing is that, yes, TIM TAMS are haram!

Now, for me, food is food. So long as it's well cooked, tastes good and is (usually) healthy, I'm fine with it. Except for mushrooms, as they make me throw up.

I've not paid a whole lot of attention to the halal/haram debate in foodstuffs, the same with kosher food. If I want halal, I'll go find it.

My personal opinion is that halal meat is inhumanely killed, so I do actively boycott it. Other food, like alcohol, additives and the rest I don't bother too much with.

But when I see a post about Tim Tams, probably the best chocolate biscuit ever, I paid some attention.

In the MV thread, the telephone number for Arnotts was posted (1800 242492) with the suggestion of phoning them and asking.

So I called Arnotts and said I'd got their number from an islamic forum discussing whether Tim Tams are halal, and apparently they aren't. The lady I spoke with said that they weren't, and none of their products were. She also said that they get plenty of enquiries about how religiously appropriate they are.

Arnotts do not label any of their food as halal, kosher or any other way.

When I said I thought that was a good idea, she asked why.

I replied that I felt that since the segment of our society that demands halal certification is less than 2% of the population it would be seen as pandering to a noisy minority and be a costly execise.

I offered my congratulations to her and her company for that stance.

She seemed somewhat taken aback, and pleased. She asked for my name so that she could pass my comments on to management.

Seems like there aren't too many compliments around for companies that do not kowtow to minority labelling requirements.

At the other end of the scale, we have this from over at Australian Islamism Monitor where Dairy Farmers have halal gelatine listed on their product.

Halal gelatine??

For goodness' sake! Dude, it's gelatine.

My brain hurts. I think I need another Tim Tam.

27 Comments:

At 5:48 PM, Anonymous Dawoud said...

Dude, I dunno what country your from but wherever it is the muslim/jewish population is gonna make up way more than 2%!

As for Islamic thinking. Check my blog, I'm on the case, writing something up now, watch that space.

 
At 6:19 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Dawoud, I am in Australia, and the muslim population here is less than 2%.

The jewish population is likewise miniscule, but the jewish people do not agitate for kosher labelling or other special considerations.

 
At 5:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a quick advice to open your mind and get a life...

 
At 7:09 AM, Blogger Nilk said...

Thanks for that, anon.

How open should my mind be, and could you define 'get a life,' please?

If you are, perhaps, offended because I wish to live under sufference from a minority of the population, that is your choice.

If by getting a life I should stop saying things that offend people, then I obviously will not be getting a life.

There are plenty of things that offend me, which I can and do tolerate without complaint, because that's all a part of "life."

Perhaps you might want to open your mind a bit more yourself.

 
At 5:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gelatin comes from animal bones and connective tissues.

You did know that, right?

 
At 6:41 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Yes I did.

 
At 9:51 AM, Blogger MK said...

Perhaps he/she/it wants you to be like them Nilk, anonymous, screw them, you keep going Nilk.

"The jewish population is likewise miniscule, but the jewish people do not agitate for kosher labelling or other special considerations."

Yep, unlike some others.

 
At 8:05 PM, Blogger Bill Cooper said...

I cannot think of any religion except islam which so thoroughly prescribes how one should live ones life. I'm sure you have seen the "ask an imam" site and there are many others like it. Some people cannot live without being told what to do and think. Islam has a strong appeal for them. Unfortunately besides being extremely prescriptive its rules were written by a half mad, violent, war mongering child molester. But apparently that is what god wanted.

 
At 7:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

> Arnotts do not label any of their food as halal, kosher or any other way.

Not true, Arnotts export Tim-Tams to Israel, and they are marked as kosher *because that market demands it*.

You know, you can be christian without hating islam (or anyone else for that matter). Although I realise you are attempting to use sarcasm when you refer to yourself as an "infidel", try not to assume all Muslims hate you. They are actually a very diverse bunch, and more similar to your lot than they are different.

 
At 2:48 PM, Blogger zouk said...

If someone is looking for halal gelatin. Try at http://gift-malaysia.com/category/halal-food/gelatine-gelatin/
They have worldwide delivery too.

 
At 11:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

u know idiot muslims are the best religion and the world u would probally say some thing bad to me because im speaking the truth but islam is the true religion and go ahead eat ur tim tam the fire of hell will be waiting for you be ware of judgment day also read the Quran not the bibile its a fake

 
At 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe u should think about islam about half of the world follows this divine religion are they all wrong anyays i know ull probally say some bad curse word at me for beleiving in islam but just think about it

 
At 1:44 AM, Anonymous mina :) said...

i really think that they should start labeling their foods!
ITS A GREAT IDEA especially since (im not sure about the statistics for the jews...soryy) islam is the fastest growing religion in the WORLD and will be the dominant religion in 2025. now im not saying this to itimidate others or in like a hahaha way im just saying that if we are those things we NEED to have labels
lol
by the way those biscuits look mmmm :D

 
At 1:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bill cooper you obviously have no idea what the phrophet of islam was like....the total ooposite of what you said
i take it that you arent a muslim but it wouldnt kill you to be respectful as i am a muslim but would never make rude comments about jesus or moses or anyone for that matter.
one more thing ...if muslims and islam are so crazy then why do people convert every day into it?
becvause if it was what the terrorists made it out to be very few would be phsycopathic enough to become a follower
so next time i would really appreciate it if you were a tad more considerate
thanks :)

 
At 5:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is how it would hurt or affect you if food was labeled as "halal" or "kosher". Why the fuck do you care. Is a little "H" or "K" on a product going to ruin it for you? Wtf.

 
At 8:57 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

The problem with halal food is that I don't want food that's been prayed over by a cleric who faces mecca before the animal has its throat cut.

I consider halal butchery to be inhumane.

I might like to eat dead animals, but I see no gain in the animal suffering as it bleeds to death. A quick stun and then kill would be better, I believe.

Also, I believe a lot of halal labelling is a rather cynical way to go after the crescent dollar. Halal yoghurt?Gimme a break!

 
At 6:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dude u know nothing
islamic slaughtery has its rules. and u a mere human would not know what hurts an animal and what doesnt. god knows so he made the rules.
the animal must be killed by cutting the throat with the single continuous back and forth motion of a sharp knife
the cut must sever at least three of the trachea, oesophagus, and the two blood vessels on either side of the throat
the spinal cord must not be cut
animals must be well treated before being killed
animals must not see other animals being killed
the knife must not be sharpened in the animal's presence
the knife blade must be free of blemishes that might tear the wound
the animal must not be in an uncomfortable position
the animal must be allowed to bleed out

 
At 12:40 PM, Blogger Smugglezz said...

HEy WAZZZ UPP !!!

Apparently retarded comments from " Bill Cooper " honestly, if you were in my face.. i would break your jawbone.. come to chicago and say those comments.. and your mom will be weeping at your funeral.. and im not scared.. ill go to your funeral and your mom dead flowers...

 
At 12:44 PM, Blogger Smugglezz said...

oops im sorry,... typo .. "bring your mom dead flowers... "" ill slap the taste out your mouth David Cooper...

 
At 3:35 PM, Blogger hannah said...

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At 3:40 PM, Blogger hannah said...

Bill Cooper - that comment you left demonstrated your vehement disdain for a religion you quite obviously don't understand.What you've also managed to demonstrate is your stupidity."I cannot think of any religion except islam which so thoroughly prescribes how one should live ones life." Contrary to the propaganda on the media most people absorb absent-mindedly, Islam is a tolerant and merciful religion. Islam is a religion that has maintained its authenticity throughout all of time something i can't say for either the Old Testament or the New Testament which have been incessantly tampered with my man in order to be of convenience to society. If you're going to display your ignorant bigotry publically you should probably know what the hell you're talking about.

 
At 6:51 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

I don't know that Bill's that far off the mark, Hannah. I've got a copy of The Reliance of the Traveller, and it's pretty specific.

It is, after all, the best collection of islamic laws known to man, and makes for interesting reading.

If you're a muslim then why don't you get yourself a copy and spend a few nights in.

 
At 2:01 AM, Anonymous Lapsy said...

It's really simple....

Go to a muslim country, eat halal.

In Australia, you are bound to be eating Australia's local produce.

If I eat halal, I do not care. It tastes the same to me. I feel no looming doom hanging over me for encoraged to be a muslim. There are no other psycological influences other than the breakdown of food in my system, doing its job in digestion & supplying me with energy e.c.t.

I'm not saying you cant do your thing the way you want it, halal or otherwise regarding meat. Do it in your backyard if you feel the need or its what ya have to do. (Just clean the mess up & do it properly if so! Stainless steel n stuff, god won't save anyone from bad food hygine!)

Thing people have to understand what is traditionally Australian should stay Australian.

Would it be weird if I lived in a muslim country & I demanded or asked for say, christian holy water on mains tap into my house? Would it be acceptable?
<-- Comments please...

Australia's background is not muslim.

I find it quite funny imagining a muslim, attempting to tell an aboriginal man how to halal random insects in the bush on his land!

No doubt it happens...

Regardless of religion, isnt it time to chill?

If you are traditional then the understanding of tradition should be obvious to you.

I wonder in situations where you are forced to use survival techniques, whether this could be your choice between life & death in extreme circumstances. You will have little to no choice when it really comes to the crunch if you want to survive.

Your thoughts appreciated.
Any negativity in the above text is not directed or intented to any group/culture/person.
Just thought I would add that before someone puts the twist on the paragraph. It is what it is & nothing else. A neutral comment.

Sick of seeing people locking horns over this. I think we should just eat our own foods & be done with it.
At the end of the day these companys want to make money. If there is 2% muslim population in Australia, & they all eat tim tams, they can attempt to make 2% more profit from that. I doubt they really care at the end of the day, as long as someone pays for it & eats it & likes it.

 
At 12:54 PM, Blogger Nadia M said...

Ok I am a muslim and I've lived in Australia my whole life, I used to eat TimTams but I found out they're not halal I was a bit annoyed but whatever not the end of my life, I didn't called arnotts and start yelling at them and saying that they're discriminating against us, I was like whatever, it wasn't big deal.

I don't understand why people are ok with judging other people the reason why people put up posts for other people talking about haraam things is because the only things we are not allowed to eat are pig meat, not halal meat and alcohol and sometimes for people like me who take things at face value and don't read all the ingredients we don't know that a biscuit were eating contains something haraam and also the point of these haram things may seems weird but its too protect us acholol is bad for you, so is bacon and halal meat is all about treating the animal HUMANELY before it dies, it must have been well fed before, it must not see the knife and yes you do have to say a prayer before killing the animal but it's less about praying more about the animal because we are also allowed to eat Kosher meat because it similar the way the prepare the meat.
Also Islam is an old religion and we have not moved with the more modern times like some religions and that's why people think that were so strict and demanding but at the end of the day Islam is not a race, it's a religion so if your not happy being a Muslim you don't have to be one its your choice it's not like you get locked up or beaten.

I am happy being a muslim yes it's hard growing up in Australia were your different but I wouldn't change being a muslim for anything no matter what other people think.

 
At 8:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that halal food is no different to non halal certified food and that Muslims are definitely not a minority in this country and have the right for halal certfied food as it does not affect us on anyway

 
At 6:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well with that same logic, why shouldn't Muslims eat a all meat pizza from pizza hut, or have few tequila sunrises. It only has a little pork products and alcohol in them. Why because its against their religion right. On that same logic, being a Atheist, It is against my beliefs for any religion to dictate how my food should be killed or have them pray over it. I don't shove bacon down their throats so don't shove your beliefs down mine. Unlike most Muslims, I actually think for myself. Don't like my opinion 'Fuck you'. See, I'm a free thinker.

 
At 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, being a mere human, of course I wouldn't know how a animal would feel being slaughtered like that.
But are all these same principles adhered to when Muslims are beheading infidels. Because being a human, something a lot of Muslims are not, I know that getting my head chopped off would hurt like all fuck. But I suppose if I didn't see anyone else getting slaughtered, or they didn't sharpen the knife in front of me and as long as the cut was with a single continuous back and forth motion, then I suppose that would make me feel a hell of a lot better. You are a genius.

 

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