Wednesday, January 25, 2006

Of Popes and Publicity.

When the most towering religious figure in the western world has apparently recognised Islam as being incapable of reform, you would have expected a huge uproar.

Nope. As Diana West says in her article:
...this is one bombshell that has yet to explode because no one wants to touch it.


As I was thinking about this last night, I did a bit of googling and she's pretty much on the ball. There's a lot of commenting on the original report by Hugh Hewitt and the few other online reports, but not much else.

I did find an interesting response to the idea coming from the Vatican that Islam cannot be reformed.

Dr. Abdalqadir has gained a place in my esteem occupied by the Mufti Ebrahim Desai of Ask an Imam fame.

As far as Dr. Abdalqadir is concerned, there is nothing wrong with Islam or the Qu'ran, and the sooner we realise it the better.

Before I get into his collected works, back to Pope Benedict. The message for our Holy Father is: There is no dialogue - only da'wa.

Can't get more straightforward than that.

An insightful look into the mind of a muslim scholar, there is a singular lack of respect for members of other religions. This is, of course, to be expected, because
there can be no illusion of any intellectual intercourse with the kafirun, that is to say there is no dialogue with them. It is categorically forbidden.

Communion is a con:
The binding ritual of the jewish people was the celebration of the Passover, which was a memorial re-enactment of how they were saved from the intended slaughter of Pharaon. Ordered by the Angel to remain in their houses till the killing was over, they had to eat unleavened bread. Saint Paul, himself a jew, took this ritual and connected it to the Gospel event of ‘the Last Supper’.
........
The Passover Biscuit of the jews was transformed into the Holy Biscuit of the christian Sacrament.


So therefore,
you must not fail to see that what Saint Paul was selling to people was what in modern language is called ‘a package deal.’


I'll have to disagree with the good Doctor on that one. Speaking for myself only, I've felt the hand of God around my heart, and there's no way it can be mistaken for anything but what it is. Somehow I doubt that Dr. Abdalqadir would have felt what I felt.

Of course, it continues on.

Without an Apostolic Succession the transubstantiation could not take place. The new religion is founded on ‘outside the Church there is no salvation.’ Yet the heart of the matter remains that its central claim to save its members is based on the belief that bread and wine become the flesh and blood of their ‘Saviour’. This is actual anthropophagy.


I'm not a religious scholar - anything I inflict upon readers is my opinion from reading and experience.

Regarding transubstantiation and the Church, ultimately your relationship with God is yours and yours alone. It is based upon love and respect, and an acknowledgement that we are born into a state of sin, which can be absolved through Jesus Christ if we choose. Therefore, whether you take Communion or not is not relevant. It is how you approach God in your heart.

Some prefer to speak with Him in the privacy of their minds, others approach Him in the company of others. He knows what's in our hearts, so there is no need for hypocrisy in your religion.

I love Communion. I feel closer to God when I take the wafer. He's always with me, never doubt that, but I'm that little step further on my way.

The most vital task facing Pope Benedict XVI is twofold. Firstly, he must take a long hard look at the dubious history of both the papacy and the Roman Church. Secondly, he must without illusion grasp the reality of the present Atheist World Order. This dual understanding is what the polish peasant who preceded him singularly failed to do. His inability to resolve the contradiction between these two historical realities was exacerbated by his disastrous solution, his enthroning of the Doctrine of Mariology. A historical survey of the Roman Church demonstrates that its survival over centuries was due to the Church’s power over people and Princes. Disobedience was punished with execution, torture and burning at the stake, as well as war. Its historical record is positively genocidal. The Crusades and the Inquisition were the Church’s necessary instruments of control and intimidation. These were the only means to force intelligent men and women to believe that God was three, and that somehow three equalled one, let alone that some men, the bishops, could initiate other men into the capacity to turn fresh bread and wine into thousand year old morsels of Jesus’s flesh and blood. The Doctrine of the Sacrament asked the reasoning mind to accept that millions of people over hundreds of years could continue to feast off one poor human body.


Goodness, what drama. Sounds like something Ridley Scott would want to direct.

There is more in this offensive tone, but too much to relate here. Rather than continue providing examples of his reasoning why dialogue with kafirs will never work, I'll give Dr. Abdalqabir the last word.
The People of the Book who are kafir and the mushrikun
Will be in the Fire of Hell,
Remaining in it timelessly, for ever.
They are the worst of creatures.


That's a message that should be getting out.

6 Comments:

At 3:36 AM, Blogger Newvictorian said...

Yes, I noted this at the time but didn't post anything about it, either. we may look back in a few years and realize this was an important development.

Good work!

 
At 7:12 PM, Blogger Olivia said...

A historical survey of the Roman Church demonstrates that its survival over centuries was due to the Church’s power over people and Princes.

Pot. Kettle. Black. Sounds just like Islam. Its survival over the centuries was due to Islam's power over people, especially women. Same for today. I couldn't say the same for the power of the Catholic church today.

Disobedience was punished with execution, torture and burning at the stake, as well as war.

Well, that might have gone on in the past, but the above sounds just like Islam, not just in the past but today. Except for the burning at the stake, of course, but then they have a number of other ways to punish disobedience: stoning, beheading, limb amputations, etc. And it goes on today.

Its historical record is positively genocidal.

Well, I think the genocidal bit might be exaggerated, but again, if we're talking Islam, then and now, yep, positively genocidal. What genocide is the Church up to these days? It's nice when you can look back on history and say we've moved forward from that. Wish we could say the same for Islam.

The Crusades and the Inquisition were the Church’s necessary instruments of control and intimidation.

Ah, the PC version of the Crusades that is ever so popular these days. In other words: total bullshit. The Crusades were in response to hundreds of years of aggression by Islam and subjugation and oppression of Christians. They didn't just happen in a vacuum, for no reason, which is what Islam and its appeasers are trying to get us all to think. Oh, the poor, peaceful Muslims were just frolicking in the dunes, minding their own business, being good and kind, when all of a sudden the nasty Catholics went on a rampage. Bullshit! And thank God for the Crusades! I will always be grateful for them.

These were the only means to force intelligent men and women to believe that God was three, and that somehow three equalled one, blah blah blah and other hypocrisy snipped.

And what of Islam's method of forcing intelligent men and women to believe in a lying, thieving, murderous sexual deviant as their Prophet, and view him a a good man, to be emulated? And to think that murdering people is actually a good thing, to be rewarded with a heavenly porn palace? He disparages Christian's beliefs as if they are most bizarre things ever imagined, yet look at what Muslims believe. Not just bizarre, but absolutely vile.

I think this current Pope has Islam figured out. It can't be reformed because anyone suggesting such a thing has to live with death threats. Heck, you don't even have to suggest reform. You just have to try to have an honest public discussion about it, and you're as good as dead. But then that's an integral part of Islam's power. No debate or criticism allowed. Under punishment of death - and they don't leave that up to their "god", but they do the murdering themselves.

 
At 7:47 PM, Anonymous MarkL said...

You have a very good blog. Thank you for noting this astonishly valuable piece of information. It is a goldmine about Islam and their perceptions.

It is always nice when a self-appointed enemy says what he really thinks of his intended victims.

I hope and pray that the Pope has them worked out - I think he does, as he has very long and deep contacts with the Melkite part of our Catholic Church, in Syria. If Pope Benedict does not know of the grisly details of 1200 years of Muslim oppression from their experiences, then nobody does. I am reading his first encyclical now, and while is is truly a beautiful piece of prose, it also contains some real dynamite. I [i]like[/i] the Pope's realism.

Might I suggest that you draw this to the attention of CL and Tim Blair, via email? It really needs a serious airing by the big bandwidth heavies.

Regards:

MarkL
Canberra

 
At 8:35 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Thanks for the kind words, guys. :)

I agree, Mark, it's mindboggling that silence is reigning on this issue. How on earth do we wake the MSM up to the idea that Islam means Peace (but only if you're a muslim)?

I will take your suggestion and mail the link to Tim and CL. Thanks for that.

Dr Abdalqadir is now at the top of my reading list.

 
At 9:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SLAY THE NON-MUSLIMS: DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE QURAN

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them.

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68, Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy.

37:22-23, "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13, And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37, (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."

 
At 12:14 AM, Blogger Jai Normosone said...

I've read a couple of Diane West's articles - quite like 'em.

What's also /funny/ is that I have no affinity for the church and especially not for the RC church but I do have a good fealing about Pope Benedict XVI (did I get the number right?). I just remember when I first heard about him long before he became Pope when he was in charge of the library that contains a lot of the historical texts. Apparently he was a driving force behind allowing scholars access to the texts and, in particular, documents relating to the worst time of the RC church: The Inquisition.
That is a man who is looking to the future and is not trying to pretend that the mistakes of the past did not happen by simply wishing them gone. Pity that the same cannot be said about Dr. Abdalqabir (Dr?? Of what??) and his pointedly medieval stance and beliefs.

Olivia got it dead right: "Pot. Kettle. Black."
I can't help but wonder about an analogy here that popped into my head... I suppose this clown pointing his finger at the RC church is akin to maybe NAMBLA grumbling to the world because there are now child care centres out there that do not allow or condone *their* idea of 'love' on children. But then, if NAMBLA *were* to have a prophet.... (you can see where I'm going with this even if it is a bit obscure - even to me.... I guess I just had to work in my usual statement about the RoP (Religion of Peace) being more RoPW or CoPW (Religion/Cult of Paedophile Worshippers).

Nilknarf: You are indeed correct that God is within you. If you are an outward person who requires the building to attend once a week, then that is your choice. I'm more someone who deals inside with what I need to deal with. I am glad though that I'm not one of the seemingly soul-less cretins that litters our society - as well as the pretenders who do not know their own hearts and think it is their calling to tell the rest of the world how to live and who to tolerate and accept. Funny how they're good at telling the world to accept the RoPW but they're not so hot at receiving criticism.

The main issue really is that the people you worship really are those you wish to be like. If you follow Jesus Christ or Abraham; practice Buddhism, Shinto, Hinduism or their variations; even worship the Gods of Olympus or of Norse Tradition - there are elements of love and acceptance in all of those in some form. If you worship someone who raped, pillaged, sodomised, belittled, and indulged in acts with a child that would see him become a prison bitch in modern times - what does that make you?

I've read that even Ghengis Khan had a good side. I've heard of none from this false 'Prophet'.

 

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