Saturday, November 19, 2005

Infidels 1 : Non-Infidels -1

I've been a bit slow this week in my blogging and emailing and general online stuff. Admittedly it's a self-imposed task, but that's not the point.

I'm halfway through composing a letter to a local social welfare commentator (Les Twentyman from Open Family Foundation).

I've got a stack of links to sort through so that what I write is coherent and well-sourced.

Anyway, I've mentioned before someone asking me why I was 'obsessed' with muslim fundamentalist/islamists/extremists/your call, and have I read the qur'an? With, of course, the addendum that I really can't say I'm educating myself unless I read the texts themselves.

Well, I've got a copy of the qur'an. It's a Penguin translation by N J Dawood, but I also compare that with the Pickthal and Yusuf Ali that are online. I think that's a good start. More than one translation are generally recommended - I have the Jerusalem Bible and the King James, also. I just need to get one more for a hattrick (/joke). I do need one that's a bit more up to date language-wise.

This person who suggested I go to the source was loaned my copy of Trifkovic.

We talked about it tonight, and WOW! I guess she's had her eyes opened, too. Particularly with regards to ancient history like the Crusades, and the fact that they were a response to years of depredation carried out by muslim forces.

It's amazing what a bit of knowledge can do for you.

Amusingly, she's also now being accused of racism. Didn't see that one coming, did we now?

That's one less dhimmi in the world.


At 10:57 PM, Blogger Caz said...

Curious Nilk, why the letter to Les, what's the general thus of it, your motivation?

At 8:49 AM, Blogger Nilk said...

Caz, his latest opinion piece in last friday's Herald Sun is about disenfranchisement, disadvantage, and how that has led to to conflagration in Paris. I can live with some of that, but he also explicitly stated that Islam should be left out of the equation. I strongly disagree, because when you take a doctrine of separation and entitlement, with an inbuilt switch for aggression, and combine it with disenfranchisement and discrimination, then you get 3 weeks of rioting, cars and churches burning, and demands for a separate state. In the name of Religion. In a secular state.

As much as I admire his stance on a lot of things, I think he's missed the boat on this one.

That's all. :)

I just need to find all the links I need. I'm about halfway through, and yesterday was spent in the garden. We now have a vegie patch. It even has some plants in it!

At 12:11 PM, Blogger Caz said...

The denial of a religious basis for all of this is very widespread.

"Our secularized political elites do not want to understand or discuss the religious base underlying the terrorists' political agenda for world domination. Since most of our leaders are not traditionally religious, they find it difficult to recognize that some people take their religion very seriously even if just to justify killing. They should have learned this when Osama bin Laden named his group the World Islamic Front Against Jews and Crusaders."

The terrorist are NOT lying, they are very honest in what they repeatedly say - yet, decent people, such as Les, don't want to believe it and don't want to see it. It's foolish.

They also fail to acknowledge that this "peace" loving religion refers ONLY to the "peace" that will reign when all people are Muslim and when all infidels are dead - that is the foundation of their "peace" and their "peaceful" aspiration.

At 10:03 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Perhaps that is because to recognise that they have been fighting for the wrong side all this time will cause something to break within.

For a few decades now, we've been raising people to be 'sensitive' and 'caring' and 'tolerant'.

Those qualities are all very well, but at times like these are worse than useless outside of a family or immediate community context.

At 11:36 AM, Blogger Jai Normosone said...

It's this peaceful upbringing that is going to be the downfall of western 'civilisation'.

We have this vision of an almost Star-Trek like future where there is no money and people respect each other and everybody is essentially happy. While there might be the occassional blue where a firefight ensues and people are killed needlessly, the perpetrators are the exception to the rule of society. Some distrust still exists but it is held back in the name of 'civilisation'.

What happens when the civilised meet the uncivilised and those to whom the 'rules' do not apply?

Tolerance, in my eyes, is like trust - it is only due to those who work to earn it. If you cause trouble willingly and don't care who you hurt in the process in order to further your political or religious agendum then you are not worthy of anything, especially NOT trust, sensitivity, caring and tolerance!

Anyone who labels me a racist because I choose to look outside the normal avenues of information about certain religions (in this case, but NOT reading shit like The New York Times, The Courier Mail, The Gold Coast Bulletin, and the list goes on) just proves to me that the individual making the assumption obviously does not know all the facts and is just as much a real bigot as the fictional one in their minds that they choose to label.

Nilknarf: It's funny how you mention your copy of Trifkovic as I was reading the blog piece and was going to ask if you wanted to borrow my copy :)
I'm still working on the reply to the email and there appears to be a phone number that I am supposed to call but I keep forgetting to get it out of email and put it into my phone so that I can make use of it at a reasonable hour (thanks to this ridiculous Mickey Mouse time that the southern states use.... :P

At 10:14 PM, Blogger Caz said...

Okay, now you're gonna have to tell me about the Trifkovic book! I'm too lazy to check What's the title?

At 10:33 PM, Blogger Nilk said...

Caz, it's called 'The Sword of the Prophet', also known at the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam. Not to be confused with Robert Spencer's Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades.

Still waiting, jai. :P

Caz, if you're in Melbourne feel free to email me and I can loan it to you. No sense in spending money if you don't have to.


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